A very nice, concise list is presented here, courtesy of some Orthodox Christians, no less. If you don't know Arabic then, well, it won't help you much, but if you do, it's quite nice:
Although the Qur’an states that it is in clear perfect Arabic tongue (al-Nahl 16: 103; al-Shu’ara’ 26: 195; al-Zumar 39: 28; al-Shura 42: 7; al-Zukhruf 43: 3), it could not be considered perfectly eloquent because of its imperfect Arabic grammar, its usage of foreign words, and its spelling errors. It contains many grammatical errors. The following are a few examples of these errors: al-Ma’idah 5: 69 (the Arabic word Alsabeoun should be Alsabieen); al-Baqarah 2: 177 (the Arabic word alsabireen should be alsabiroon); al-Imran 3: 59 (the Arabic word fayakoon should be fakaana); al-Baqarah 2: 17, 80, 124; al-A’raf 7: 56 (the Arabic word qaribun should be qaribtun); al-A’raf 7: 160 (the Arabic word asbatan should be sebtan); Ta Ha 20: 63 (the Arabic phrase Hazani Lasaherani should be Hazaini Lasahirieni); al-Hajj 22: 19 (the Arabic phrase ikhtasamu fi rabbihim should be ikhtasama fi rabbihima); al-Tawbah 9: 62, 69 (the Arabic word kalladhi should be kalladhina); al-Munafiqun 63: 10 (the Arabic word Akon should be Akoon); al-Nisa’ 4: 162 (the Arabic word Almuqimeen should be Almuqimoon); and al-Hujurat 49: 9 (the Arabic word eqtatalu should be eqtatala). Ali Dashti and Mahmud al-Zamakhshari (1075-1144), famous Muslim scholars, noted more than one hundred Quranic aberrations from the normal grammatical rules and structure of the Arabic language (Ali Dashti, Twenty Three Years: A study of the Prophetic Career of Muhammad, Allen and Unwin, London, 1985, p. 50).
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To the sleeping Guy, Sorry to tell you that you didn’t wake up and as we say in Arabic, he shut up for ages and when he spelled he said a KUFRN…
My sleepy friend, imagine that Quran has grammatical mistakes and it came in middle of Arabia and in front of all Arab people and no one discovered that there are such mistakes and then you came and discovered them, what an intelligence that you have !!!
My friend, the only industry that was available in Arabia during prophet Muhammad was “the Arabic Language” they had 3 yearly markets for Poem competitions and judges to select the most articulate one, imagine that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came with a book full of mistakes and the whole Arabian followed him and they didn’t discover these errors except you the “sleepy” guy…
I think you know already but since you are so smart, you may forget that all Arabic Language scholars took that language of Quran as reference for them, so if they want to know the correct use of any Arabic word they refer it to one of its verses.
Any way, if you want to know the correct “E’arrab” of any word in Quran you can refer to this site, which explains each word of it grammatically, and hope you understand..
http://www.qurancomplex.org/
Well Abdullah, you should know that Quranic scholars are very much aware of these incorrect grammatical structures in the Quran and have devoted a lot of time to explaining why they are not as incorrect as they seem.
I'l tell you what. You choose ONE of those errors I listed and we can discuss it based on the rules of classical Arabic grammar (qawa3id). You choose. I'm waiting. Let's see if you really know Arabic. And I don't mean street Arabic from Casablanca or Cairo or London or Nablus or wherever you are, but real Quranic Arabic.
I'm ready and waiting. Your move.
My friend Abu Daoud,
I don’t feel there is need to argue in something so clear like a SUN a middle of sky, most of Arabs fought prophet Muhammad (PBUH) for 23 years and they didn’t notice the most important issue that your sleepy guy has discovered by “his intelligence” and they were the leaders and the origins of our Arabic language, if the above argument didn’t convince you then nothing can convince you, like a blind who doesn’t want someone to lead him or even to warn him that he is going in the wrong direction, what shall you do for him ….
I don’t want to challenge you in grammatical explanation of your bible, because first it will be very difficult on you and I am sure that you don’t have a resource which have full “E’rab” to the bible like what we have for Quran, secondly which version to work on? you’ve already have 30,000 original versions of bibles and no one of them like the other, 3rd in which language if the origin one is not written even in Jesus (PBUH) language !!!
But I will choose a lower level for you very simple: “translation” from English to Arabic, see the following simple example in English and Arabic:
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.
[Psalms 84/4-7]
4 طُوبَى لِلسَّاكِنِينَ فِي بَيْتِكَ، أَبَدًا يُسَبِّحُونَكَ. سِلاَهْ.
5 طُوبَى لأُنَاسٍ عِزُّهُمْ بِكَ. طُرُقُ بَيْتِكَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ.
6 عَابِرِينَ فِي وَادِي الْبُكَاءِ، يُصَيِّرُونَهُ يَنْبُوعًا. أَيْضًا بِبَرَكَاتٍ يُغَطُّونَ مُورَةَ.
7 يَذْهَبُونَ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ إِلَى قُوَّةٍ. يُرَوْنَ قُدَّامَ اللهِ فِي صِهْيَوْنَ. (المزامير 84 / 4 - 7)
Now Abu Daoud, tell me the translation of Valley of Baca to Arabic is valley of cries !!!!
Or it’s only to cover this clear prophecy about Muslims and the house of God “Kabba” which is located in the middle of valley of Becca inside the city of Mecca, which also mentioned in Quran in the same term in the bible book: “Bakka or Bacca”, read the following verses from Qura:
Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alamîn (the mankind and jinn). (96) In it are manifest signs (for example), the Maqâm (place) of Ibrâhim (Abraham); whosoever enters it, he attains security. And Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah) to the House (Ka'bah) is a duty that mankind owes to Allâh, those who can afford the expenses (for one's conveyance, provision and residence); and whoever disbelieves [i.e. denies Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah), then he is a disbeliever of Allâh], then Allâh stands not in need of any of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinn and all that exsists).[] (Al- Emran 96-97)
إِنَّ أَوَّلَ بَيْتٍ وُضِعَ لِلنَّاسِ لَلَّذِي بِبَكَّةَ مُبَارَكًا وَهُدًى لِلْعَالَمِينَ (96)
فِيهِ آيَاتٌ بَيِّنَاتٌ مَقَامُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ۖ وَمَنْ دَخَلَهُ كَانَ آمِنًا ۗ وَلِلَّهِ عَلَى النَّاسِ حِجُّ الْبَيْتِ مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ إِلَيْهِ سَبِيلًا ۚ وَمَنْ كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ عَنِ الْعَالَمِينَ (97)
Waiting your next move…
Salam,
Abdullah, I accept that you are declining my offer.
The valley of Beka is in Israel, on the way to Jerusalem (Zion). There is no way the author of the Psalms would have known about 'Bakka' in Arabia.
No my friend Abu Daoud, you didn’t understand yet, I will explain it to you again:
- If a cowboy challenges a well known, very famous Doctor that he knows better than him in Heart surgery, will be logic that the Doctor argues with him trying to convince him or not?
- If a sheep boy challenges a well known, very famous architecture that he knows better than him in building a skyscraper, will be logic that this engineer argues with him on this or not?
In the same way, I am trying to convince you that your argument is wrong and impossible, and if it’s correct that there were only one grammatical error in Quran, no single Arab would follow the prophet ever, it’s their language and it’s their daily work and they born with it, there is no comparison between them and your “sleepy guy” who had to learn Arabic in primary school to understand how to write his name !!
Therefore, your argument is false and it’s wrong to discuss it even …
As throwing a stone to hit the sky, you will not touch it, but it will fall over your head.
About Bacca, I will reply to you in my next comment.
About Becca in the Psalms of David,
Of course they didn’t know about it before and because of that it’s a prophecy, and you confirmed that they will never know it if it’s really in Mecca, and I advise you to go to all Bible dictionaries and you will see its explanation that it’s an imaginary place which doesn’t exist, just describing the people walking in valleys till reach the house of GOD, and there is no single place in Palestine called this name “Valley of Baca”.
But the truth, that this place exist really in Mecca and it’s the place of “Kabbah” the real house of GOD, that all muslims are directing to it in their prayers, and they travel to it to perform their pilgrimage, read again the exact description:
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
4 طُوبَى لِلسَّاكِنِينَ فِي بَيْتِكَ، أَبَدًا يُسَبِّحُونَكَ. سِلاَهْ.
5 طُوبَى لأُنَاسٍ عِزُّهُمْ بِكَ. طُرُقُ بَيْتِكَ فِي قُلُوبِهِمْ.
6 عَابِرِينَ فِي وَادِي الْبُكَاءِ، يُصَيِّرُونَهُ يَنْبُوعًا. أَيْضًا بِبَرَكَاتٍ يُغَطُّونَ مُورَةَ
Then look on your TV or on youtube, and see how Muslims are circling the house of GOD, day and night, how they flow into a (well), a white stream running in the roads of the valley, calling for their God, appraising him and him only, saying and repeating:
لبيك اللهم لبيك, لبيك لا شريك لك, ان الحمد والنعمة لك والملك, لا شريك لك
Means in English:
“At your disposal thee, O Mighty God, at your disposal thee, at your disposal is not a partner to you, that all praise and blessing to you and the rule, thee has no partner”
Now comparing your place and our place logically:
- Your place in Palestine is:
o Imaginary place, doesn’t really exist in any area in Palestine, unknown by anyone, there is no valley in Palestine where people are moving and calling for their God, not before and not now.
o There is no place in Palestine where there is house of GOD !!
- But, in other hand Kabbah inside Baca valley is:
o Known historically and geographically it’s in Mecca and the valley where Kabbah is located, proved by the people living there and confirmed by Quran since 1400 that it has the house that Ibrahim has built with his son Ismail.
o “thy house”, where the location of God house, the only place on Earth “Kabbah” that billions of people say that it is the house of God.
o Kabbah is in a middle of Valley, but Jerusalem is on top of plateau (mountain), it’s not a valley so Jerusalem is not included in this prophecy for sure, but Mecca yes.
o “Still praising”: since 1000’s of years, and Arabs then Muslims are directing to that valley crying and calling for their Lord, asking for his forgiveness and praying to him.
- So, who deserve the following complement from GOD, except the muslims:
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.
4 طُوبَى لِلسَّاكِنِينَ فِي بَيْتِكَ، أَبَدًا يُسَبِّحُونَكَ. سِلاَهْ.
Please, Abu Daoud read what I wrote to you many times again and again, and don’t challenge your mind and your logic, and look inside your heart you will sure feel it, it’s the real truth.
Hope you understand this then we will go to next prophecy about Prophet birth in your bible.
Abdullah,
The post is not about the valley of bakka or anything like that. It is about grammatical errors in the Qur'an, I listed them precisely and anyone who knows Arab grammar well can check them out for himself.
Are you not able to grasp this? Can you just stop for a minute and think: what if the Qur'an has grammatical errors (and it clearly does, they are quite obvious)? What does that mean? What are the implications of it?
AD
Dear Abu Daoud,
Regarding the Arabic grammar, I already replied to you and if the argument that I used (Dr & sheep boy) didn’t convince you then nothing can convince you, but I will summarize it to you again:
That unbelievers Arabs used everything to fight prophet Muhammad (PBUH), they used all possible weapons, whether good or mean, accepted or forbidden, they accused him that he is liar, magician, they cursed him any place he goes, they shouted on him, hit him, stole him, fought him, threw stones and dirty things on him, put fire on his way, digging holes to fall in, tried to assassin him, kid nap him, poisoning him, and many others…
Also, they did everything possible to stop people from hearing or listen to him, they initiated an evil propaganda against him in all tribes in all Arabia, that even when a stranger came to Mekkah he put cotton in his ears so he don’t listen to someone might be the prophet, but when he saw him praying next to Kabbah at night, and reading Quran in his prayers, he said to himself: at least I have mind, let me listen and then judge by myself, so when he listen to his prayers, he accepted Islam immediately…
So with all this furious fight, no one discovered these errors in Quran grammar except YOU !!! believe me Abu Daoud, it is the most stupid weapon that can be used to fight Islam, there are much more arguments that you can use instead (although all can be defeated in God will), but please follow me in this don’t say that again.
Salam,
Brother abu daoud you must studied the book (quran) reffered by ABDUL FADI RIGHT????/
Dear brother Islam,
I have studied the Qur'an, but yes, you are right, I must continue to study it more. There are many parts of it which I would like to know better.
al salam 3aleyka
AD
Dear Mr. Daoud
If an expert in engineering explains some complex concepts of engineering to you and you don't understand them but his expert colleagues do, would you declare that engineer to be false/a liar or simply wrong just because your faculty of thought was not up to standard? Abdullah's response seems to make perfect sense, arabs of the past tried long and hard to show the Quran was wrong and couldn't do it and you think you know something they didn't with your limited understanding of Arabic.
Dear Mr. Daoud, if an expert in engineering explains some complex concepts of engineering to you and you don't understand them but his expert colleagues do, would you declare that engineer to be false/a liar or simply wrong just because your faculty of thought was not up to standard? Abdullah's response seems to make perfect sense, arabs of the past tried long and hard to show the Quran was wrong and couldn't do it and you think you know something they didn't with your limited understanding of Arabic.
Dear Mr. Daoud, if an expert in engineering explains some complex concepts of engineering to you and you don't understand them but his expert colleagues do, would you declare that engineer to be false/a liar or simply wrong just because your faculty of thought was not up to standard? Abdullah's response seems to make perfect sense, arabs of the past tried long and hard to show the Quran was wrong and couldn't do it and you think you know something they didn't with your limited understanding of Arabic.
Dear Mr. Daoud, if an expert in engineering explains some complex concepts of engineering to you and you don't understand them but his expert colleagues do, would you declare that engineer to be false/a liar or simply wrong just because your faculty of thought was not up to standard? Abdullah's response seems to make perfect sense, arabs of the past tried long and hard to show the Quran was wrong and couldn't do it and you think you know something they didn't with your limited understanding of Arabic.
Dear Mr. Daoud, if an expert in engineering explains some complex concepts of engineering to you and you don't understand them but his expert colleagues do, would you declare that engineer to be false/a liar or simply wrong just because your faculty of thought was not up to standard? Abdullah's response seems to make perfect sense, arabs of the past tried long and hard to show the Quran was wrong and couldn't do it and you think you know something they didn't with your limited understanding of Arabic.
Hi David,
What is up with posting the same thing five times? Strange...and not very civil.
--Abu Daoud
(Dr. Zakir): The brother has asked a very good question. I would like to be more concordance – and agreeing, he has mentioned all 20 grammatical points. And the book he is referring to, “Is the Qur’an infallible by Abdul Faadi”.
I will answer all 20 together, because I have read the book – I will answer all 20, Insha Allah… Insha Allah. Point No. 1 to be noted – that all Arabic grammar is taken from the Qur’an. Qur’an was the highest Arabic book – A book which has the maximum level of highest literature. All the Arabic grammar has been derived from the Qur’an. Qur’an is the textbook of grammar. Since Qur’an is the textbook of grammar, and all the grammar is derived from the Qur’an, the Qur’an can never have a mistake. Point No. 2 – It is like, you know… taking a ruler, and the ruler is there… has a measurement, and your saying the measurement is wrong – It sounds illogical. In different Arabic tribes, the grammar keeps on changing. In some Arabic tribe, the word is feminine; the same word is even masculine in the other tribe. Same word in different tribes – the grammar keeps on changing – Even the gender keeps on changing. So will you check Qur’an, with that faulty grammar? – No! And further more, the eloquence of Qur’an is so high – It is so high, it is far superior. And you know there are various books – On the Internet you go, 12 grammatical mistakes, 21 grammatical mistakes – Abdul Faadi – 20 grammatical mistakes. Do you think the Christian people took out these mistakes? Who took out these mistakes? – Do you know who took out? The Muslims! The Muslim scholars like Zamak Sharif – what they did – that the Qur’an grammar is so high, that it goes against the conventional use of the Arabic. The Qur’an grammar is so high – To prove the Qur’anic grammar was high, they gave examples. And I will give you a couple of examples, which will answer all his 20 questions. They gave the example – like we read in the Qur’an, it says that… ‘The people of Lut Alaihis salaam, they rejected all the messengers.’ ‘They rejected the messengers’… it is mentioned. Dr. William Campbell said… ‘The people of Noah – they rejected the messengers.’ We know from history that there was only one messenger sent to them – So it has a grammatical mistake. Qur’an should have said – The people rejected the ‘messenger’ not ‘messengers.’ I agree with you – with layman grammar like how you and I know, it may be a mistake. But if you read the books written by Arabs – What is the beauty of the Qur’an? The beauty of the Qur’an is – Why does the Qur’an refer ‘messengers’, instead of ‘messenger’? You know why? Because we know that the basic message of all the messengers, was same – That there is one God – About Tawheed – About Allah Subhanawataala. By mentioning, the people of Lut alaihis salaam… the people of Noah, rejected the messenger – It says, by rejecting Lut alahis salaam, they are indirectly rejecting all the messengers.’
See the beauty, see the eloquence… Alhamdulillah! (Praise be to Allah) You may think it is a mistake – It is not a mistake. Similarly, people like Anis Shorrosh says, that Qur’an says…‘Qun fa ya Qun…Be and it is’ – It should be ‘Qun fa qaana’ – ‘Be’ and it was. Agreed – Past tense is Qun fa Qaana in Arabic – it is not Qun fa ya Qun. But the Qun fa ya Qun is more superior – It says… Allah – it was, it is, and can do – Past, present and future.
Qur'anic grammar was so high bro,and all arabic literature was derived from Qur'an.
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