This blog is written by a Christian living in the Middle East. My desire is to discuss Islam and Christianity in ways that will be helpful for people of the other religion.
Wednesday, October 07, 2009
The Nicene Creed in Arabic
Here is the Nicene Creed (sans filioque, thank God) and another miscellaneous writing:
What's your own ecclesiology. Are you Eastern or Oriental Orthodox? I'm asking because you said "Sans Filoque (thank God)" I've always been under the impression that the Oriental Orthodox really never had problems with the Filioque.
I am Anglican. Some of our churches use the filioque in worship (ie, Diocese of Jerusalem) and others don't (Diocese of Egypt).
I understand the historical reasons for the addition of the filioque at Toledo, but honestly it was an error of the Western churches to make it a central part of the debate with the Eastern. Orthodox. It adds nothing to our theology and distracts us from the nature of the Trinity. That having been said, it is not, in the end, necessarily 'incorrect'.
If memory serves me correctly--and it's been a long time since I worked my way through the Summa Theologiae in Latin--Aquinas stated that, without filioque (i.e, the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son,) one could not tell the Son and the Holy Spirit apart.
The Creed, of course, is not "wrong" without the filioque, of course. But if you mean it in OPPOSITION to the filioque, you are a heretic.
"Proceeds from the Father" does not mean something different from "proceeds from the Father and the Son". If it means, "proceeds from the Father AND NOT FROM THE SON", it's heresy.
This is just as true as to say that Ephesus is true but it can't be read in opposition to Chaldedon and any such reading is heresy.
I understand all the real and important ecclesiological and ecumenical problems. But when it comes down to it, if the Western Church placed something that can be rejected at the heart of its statement of Christian belief and required submission to it, then it is not guided by the Holy Spirit.
That means the Orthodox are right and they are the One True Church. Than which I cannot imagine anything more implausible.
So I believe--as a matter of Divine, Christian, binding faith--that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. If anyone say otherwise, which God prevent, let him be anathema.
really cool and amazing post.i really enjoyed reading it. and i also love your writing style and the way you represent your article is amazing to.you did a great job and i appreciate that.so keep posting more articles. serve your field more professionally and more efficiently by studying computer course for dentist from our site because we provide you training from professional trainers.
10 comments:
What's your own ecclesiology. Are you Eastern or Oriental Orthodox? I'm asking because you said "Sans Filoque (thank God)" I've always been under the impression that the Oriental Orthodox really never had problems with the Filioque.
I am Anglican. Some of our churches use the filioque in worship (ie, Diocese of Jerusalem) and others don't (Diocese of Egypt).
I understand the historical reasons for the addition of the filioque at Toledo, but honestly it was an error of the Western churches to make it a central part of the debate with the Eastern. Orthodox. It adds nothing to our theology and distracts us from the nature of the Trinity. That having been said, it is not, in the end, necessarily 'incorrect'.
If memory serves me correctly--and it's been a long time since I worked my way through the Summa Theologiae in Latin--Aquinas stated that, without filioque (i.e, the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son,) one could not tell the Son and the Holy Spirit apart.
I think Don has it right.
The Creed, of course, is not "wrong" without the filioque, of course. But if you mean it in OPPOSITION to the filioque, you are a heretic.
"Proceeds from the Father" does not mean something different from "proceeds from the Father and the Son". If it means, "proceeds from the Father AND NOT FROM THE SON", it's heresy.
This is just as true as to say that Ephesus is true but it can't be read in opposition to Chaldedon and any such reading is heresy.
I understand all the real and important ecclesiological and ecumenical problems. But when it comes down to it, if the Western Church placed something that can be rejected at the heart of its statement of Christian belief and required submission to it, then it is not guided by the Holy Spirit.
That means the Orthodox are right and they are the One True Church. Than which I cannot imagine anything more implausible.
So I believe--as a matter of Divine, Christian, binding faith--that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. If anyone say otherwise, which God prevent, let him be anathema.
second image is the Hail Mary in Arabic
You got it Geoff.
really cool and amazing post.i really enjoyed reading it. and i also love your writing style and the way you represent your article is amazing to.you did a great job and i appreciate that.so keep posting more articles. serve your field more professionally and more efficiently by studying
computer course for dentist from our site because we provide you training from professional trainers.
Post a Comment